I’ve written before about how certain types of conspiracy theory have been taken over solely by the right. I’ve been on the lookout for a forum to discuss some of these issues but find they’re now taken over by the hard right. Case in point, a place like Godlike Productions, which last I checked (during the Bush Administration) was a place to talk about UFO’s and such. Or it’s just that the intense railing against the practices of Bush Administration didn’t rail me so. But I got caught in a thread where Palin was called “very liberal” because, I guess, she supports military engagement anywhere and everywhere, unlike Ron Paul who’s an isolationist. Doesn’t make her liberal.
Though I find elements of Paul’s outlook interesting, I also think libertarianism is impractical. Yes, a stateless utopia via the Venus Project is a nice idea, but it’s not possible currently with the current U.S. system. You could argue that the system necessarily needs to fall apart in order to usher in a new stateless system, and given human instincts, libertarianism would probably usher in that downfall faster than any other system. As has been proven countless times, if the unfettered free market is given free reign to do whatever it wants, it sides with abuse of the planet and its people. To have government intervene with new regulation isn’t proof of creeping fascism, it’s proof that humans won’t do the right thing if they have the choice not to.
Whenever anyone cries socialism about Obama I recoil – it’s just such an inaccurate reading of the tea leaves. If Obama was a Communist, he wouldn’t be making the far left so angry. He’s a Clinton centrist, and for that reason he’s a disappointment. I figured he was running towards the center for the election and would be a bit more open when he finally got into office. And by open, I mean, yes, more socialist.
The problem we’re in is that we’re in a corporatocracy, so anything that takes away corporate power is fine by me. But some conspiracy theorists and the “small government” right see nefarious encroachment in any government – which doesn’t make sense. All government isn’t evil. Of course not. At what point do libertarians draw the line at regulations? I’m glad my tap water doesn’t kill me, for one. Much regulation is reasonably self-protecting.
Doubtlessly, the entire system needs reworking because people are basically forced into a system in which their income doesn’t much exceed their basic needs, so they’re tied endlessly to the 40 hour work week. People then blame taxes for their troubles, but really they should be blaming the amount of their paycheck, not the amount that goes to taxes – how much profit is the business making relative to what its paying its employees? Make no mistake, if the monthly paycheck was higher, people wouldn’t be so concerned with the amount taken out by taxes. Perhaps that makes me a Communist – because I see no fault in there being some equality between what a business owner makes and what an employee makes. Perhaps not equal, but some better disparity is more equitable.
Likewise, the hardliner conspiracy-minded rightwing that scream about the global warming “hoax” also makes me want to flee. The mounting scientific evidence aside, the fact that global warming is inspiring more environmental awareness can only be positive. At my kid’s school, there’s a board where kids have created collages saying “Protect the earth” and so on. Some would call this “indoctrination.” It’s not because at its core, it’s positive.
If you look at the rhetoric of the right – libtards, et al. – it doesn’t take into account how Teabagger-style angry the left is about the state of the country. For example, Game Over:
Without a single iota of hyperbole, it may now be said that regulatory capture of our government by Wall Street has been concluded. Done deal. Since Monday, the sheer volume of news supporting the truth that Wall Street essentially controls our government has become–quite simply–overwhelming.
It is the total sellout of Main Street and our country as a whole that’s been all but concluded before our very eyes. To call it anything less than that would be inaccurate reportage.
It’s beyond disgusting, IMHO. Words cannot convey my sense of contempt…that to which we’re bearing witness today. It is the definition of betrayal.
That sounds exactly like Teabagger hysteria, but unlike “Obama is a socialist,” this one has some merit. It’s actually closer to fascism – the marriage of corporations and government – except that doesn’t make Obama a fascist, because this is an ideology perpetrated by the right much more than what remains of the left in power. An idea very much lost on the right wing. The purpose of a government health care plan, for example, is not “socialism,” but to take power away from Blue Cross and other corporations who are screwing their consumers.
Where the right stupidly think Obama represents a socialist takeover, they don’t seem to realize that they basically have a Republican, corporate-centered candidate who is stripping regulation, not adding more government “interference.” People’s sense of logic really does seem to be devolving – though I imagine this is how it’s always been. Stupidity has no generation:

More in this vein:
There’s a deeper and more disturbing similarity: elite business interests—financiers, in the case of the U.S.—played a central role in creating the crisis, making ever-larger gambles, with the implicit backing of the government, until the inevitable collapse. More alarming, they are now using their influence to prevent precisely the sorts of reforms that are needed, and fast, to pull the economy out of its nosedive. The government seems helpless, or unwilling, to act against them.
Think that’s from a Paulite conspiracy screed? Joe Stack’s manifesto? No, it’s from The Atlantic.
Obama is enough to make one paranoid – I’ll grant conspiracists that. In the sense that he had more honest idealism during the campaign (wasn’t entirely just exploiting people’s hopes) and then once he was handed the reins he learned – this is how it really works. I continually can’t get my head around a system that is continually built so that it destroys itself. He seems to be playing the same game as everyone else. Basically, all of Obama’s slogans were crap: “Change doesn’t happen from the top down, but from the bottom up.” “We’re the change we’ve been waiting for.” “This is the moment.” Etc. The crash from all that hope is pretty stark.
I’m glad I didn’t see Zeitgeist until now because in 2008, during Obama’s rise, I wouldn’t have wanted to absorb it. The primary and election season were a fucking lot of fun. It felt like Kennedy – don’t insert Kennedy’s bad policies here, on a more thematic level than that. I’ve held on for a long time that Obama’s presidency was transformative enough by just who he is, but basically all we get with Obama is financial collapse at a slower rate than would have happened with McCain/Palin.
So I’m kind of in no man’s land. Too liberal for the libertarian right, and too whacked out entertaining 9-11 truth, UFO’s, et al. for the Daily Kos left. I’m not sure such a forum exists. So I’m writing here.